Scott
| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
CaptCBoard |
The 13-Inch EVA Pod |
Lead | |
|
Posts: 1250 (04/10/01 23:36:26) |
We have started work on this part of the Project and will be posting photos very soon. Stay tuned!
Scott |
||
CaptCBoard |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (04/12/01 21:18:05) |
Here are the first shots of this project. Note that this model is twice the size of my EVA Pod kit. This is 1/6 scale (13 inches in diameter)
![]() We start out with two identical vacuformed 13-inch hemispheres. Since we know what the diameter of the earmuffs are, the first thing we do is plot that diameter onto the surface of the hemispheres using a pencil held rigidly at the proper height. This 'height gauge' is drawn around the hemisphere, marking where the cut will be made. ![]() The cut was made using an abrasive wheel in a dremel tool. The opening will be sanded flush on a sanding board. ![]() Here you can see the size difference between the kit version (right) and the 1/6 scale version. We will be detailing the large earmuff soon and I'll have photos of that later. The basic shape was turned on a lathe and then the grooves were cut on a mill. The plastic dome is a 4.5 inch hemisphere from Plastruct, cut down to fit. ![]() Here you can see how well the earmuff fits the opening we cut. This earmuff master is a little thick at the base. This will be removed when we make the mold, sometime next week. |
||
proxima1 |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 35 (04/22/01 11:15:46) |
Thanks for the behind-the-curtain view of the process Scott. I am curious however about one thing. I understood that the small pod and Aries masters were prepared with Stereo Lithography, hence the near perfect quality of the pieces. However it appears that you are doing the large pod and the Big-D, the "old fashioned way". Why is that? Are the pieces just too large for Stereo lith?
|
||
CaptCBoard |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (04/22/01 19:38:19) |
The small Pod was done in SLA, but the Aries was not. The masters for the large Pod are being built by hand because they are simply too large for the tank I had access to and because the amount of hand finishing required for the small Pod was what held up the darn thing so long. I do have one part that was done by SLA and I'll be putting a shot of that up soon.
SLA and 3-D Waxprinting are useful for a lot of things, but if there is a lot of detail, like the stuff under the window on the Pod, then its pretty much a waste of time. The 'grow pattern' has to be sanded out and small details have to be replaced by hand. Since the Pod is a sphere mounted in a cradle, the basic shapes are fairly easy to make by hand. The only hard part is the window bezel. I'm not looking forward to that at all!! Scott |
||
CaptCBoard |
More Photos: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (06/03/01 13:40:00) |
Not much to say here, other than we are progressing nicely. I'll have some shots of the parts for the manipulator arms a bit later.
![]() ![]() The bottom part, what I like to call the 'cradle' is a very large SLA casting, an exact duplicate at twice the size of the one done for the 1/12 scale kit. This has saved us an immense amount of time and has assured a very high degree of accuracy. ![]() ![]()
|
||
CaptCBoard |
13-Inch EVA Pod - Window Construction | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (06/11/01 01:20:16) |
The moment we've all been dreading is here. I have to make the window bezel for this thing. And it has to be done by hand since growing it is no longer an option. But, that's fine. I've already got the whole thing planned out and I know exactly what to do--
I'm going to build it backwards. What I mean is I'm going to build the 'negative' of the window bezel, not the bezel itself. The big problem with building this piece, as you are about to see, isn't the shape. Its all those tapered slats that make up the surface. Since it would be nearly impossible to do that cleanly, I've decided that it would be easier to build the grooves between the slats-- they aren't tapered! To do this, all I need to do is create the finished bezel shape and then generate the negative of it. In other words, I'm going to make a shape that would be the inside of a mold if I had the part to pour rubber on. Since I don't, I have to make it. Confusing? Hang onto your socks!! ![]() I cut a piece of plastic to represent the window itself. This and the outside edge of the opening represent the two things that define the shape of the bezel-- the outer, compound-curved surface it is mounted into and the flat, eliptical window it frames. Once I had figured the proper depth into the model the window was mounted, and its angle, I made a spacer and glued the 'window' to it. Using tape, I positioned the whole thing and then secured it so it wouldn't move. ![]() ![]() The surface of the bezel is a section of an eliptical cone. And as we all know, all conical surfaces (circular or eliptical) are flat planes rolled up. This means we can make the surface out of flat plastic sheet stock. Here, I've slipped a sheet of .020 styrene into place. If I had really been paying attention in High School geometry, I could probably lay this out on a single sheet and cut it out. But, what can I say-- the guy was boring and I was rotten at math. So, I'm stuck doing this by trial and error, but I know its going to work. ![]() Here you can see how the bottom piece is glued in, with another piece going in at the top. You might also notice the notch I cut into the brace. This is so I can lay a ruler across the whole thing to check the angle of the window-- we don't want it getting out of place! I guess I should explain this better... The depth of the window is controlled by the spacer and the position of the brace on the outside edge of the window opening. Once the eliptical plate that represents the surface of the window is in its proper 'north/south/center' position, the brace is taped into place, so we don't lose that orientation. The surface of the window itself is at a specific angle to the window opening (the big hole). It is almost parallel to the 'north/south' surface of the opening, with the top tilted slightly forward. Once the window piece is glued to the bottom piece of the bezel surface, that angle is fixed and the rest of the bezel can be built. Yeah, I know-- that's a lot to chew on, but someone would have asked! ![]() See-- Told ya! The finished bezel surface. Of course, someone will wonder why I don't just scribe the grooves into this piece and be done with it. Well, first, its only .020 thick. If I'd used thicker plastic, it would have been a b-- a lot more trouble since it wouldn't curve as easily. Second, most scribers aren't wide enough to do these grooves. I could make one, but then we come to the third point-- If I screw up, I have to start all over again. Oh, yeah- Forthly, putting in all those scribe lines would weaken the part and it may take on a new shape due to the plastic being under tension. Okay, I can see all of you scratching your heads-- how do we get from this to the negative part that I need? We're going to pour plaster into this to get a negative. But, I can't use the plaster part as my master because it won't hold the strips of plastic I'm going to use as the 'grooves', so we have to generate a hard-tool (mold) of the plaster part, so we wind up with another postive that we can vacuform plastic into, to get our final styrene negative part. Watch-- ![]() Using tape as a 'dam' to keep the plaster from running all over the place, we make a plaster negative. A little Vaseline was used for a release agent. ![]() Here we have the plaster negative. Its a little rough around the edges, so-- ![]() I cleaned up the edges on the bandsaw. I left them beveled on the outside because the angle will help the part come away from the tool after it is poured. This angle, used to keep a part from locking, is called 'draft'. ![]() I've mounted the part, used green plasticine clay to do some patching and built a mold-box. Before pouring the goo in, the whole thing is painted with Vaseline so nothing sticks and-- ![]() The vacuform tool! I will use this to make a vacuform part that is the negative shape of the window bezel. That will be in the coming week, though. Stay tuned! |
||
psklenar |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 114 (06/11/01 05:30:18) |
Scott,
Thank you for sharing these insider views with us. I, for one, am finding the whole process to be absolutely fascinating!!!! Again, thanks!!! pat---- |
||
Unregistered(d) |
13 inch POD | ||
|
Posts: 0 (06/11/01 07:51:49) |
Very educational sir! Looking forward to seeing those darned Ribs in place around the Bezel-
Phil |
||
ignatzprime |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 186 (06/12/01 00:32:54) |
You're a freakin' master Scott! Thanks for letting us in on how it's done!
Model On!
|
||
CaptCBoard |
The 13-Inch EVA Pod - Window Bezel | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (06/12/01 17:40:54) |
Now we get to heat up some plastic! This is the part of the job that really sucks, too! (Yeah, I know. Sorry about that...)
![]() Here's the pattern in place. I designed it so that it would act like the cavity was actually inside the plenum (airspace) so the plastic doesn't have to stretch over the outside, as well as the inside. This way it will just lay flat, except where the part is formed. The only thing I need to do before making the part is to use some duct tape to seal the bottom of the pattern to the plenum. I've drilled small holes in the pattern to allow the air to be sucked out once the plastic is lowered into place. ![]() This is the plastic after the machine sucked it into the pattern. Now you can see what I mean about the plastic laying flat over the top. ![]() Here you can see how the plastic part is just like the original. ![]() The surface of the plastic is dimpled. This is the result of using a plaster pattern and not letting it dry before making vacuform tool from it. The curing urethane generates heat, which causes the water in the plaster to react and form the inward dimples that the plastic was sucked over. These dimples are the reverse of those, so all I have to do is sand them down and use a bit of filler to correct some other minor flaws. ![]() Scraped, sanded and filled. And I've put the lines on for the strips that will eventually become the gaps between the slats. Remember-- we're building the negative version of the bezel! I'd go into how long it took me to lay out those lines, but I don' t want to start shaking again... |
||
mknorr |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 118 (06/12/01 23:24:52) |
This is all very good stuff Scott. I am learning heaps. Thanks for the detail.
Manfred |
||
arthur krull |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 19 (08/30/06 08:07:58) |
Scott,
Most of the above pictures are displaying as the dreaded X. I know I'm coming into this late, but is it possible for the pix to be seen? The written info is stellar (pun intended), but the pictures would be even better. Thanks Much, Art |
||
CaptCBoard |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (08/30/06 18:20:11) |
Art-
I'll see what I can do about finding those photos. They are not connecting due to a hack that occured on the hosting site I was using at the time. Scott |
||
arthur krull |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 19 (08/31/06 05:04:46) |
Scott,
Thanks for the reply. I have one other question. When you say '13" diameter', what are you measuring from? The width of earmuffs? The height? Basically, on what dimension(s) do I scale the drawings? I ask because I'd like to build my own pod in 1/48th probably using the drawings in the Spaceship Handbook (unless you know of better ones available). This also prompted my question above as I'm curious how you built your pod master. While I have the Collect-aire kit, it stands some 2.5" tall and that seems way too tall for 1/48th. Thanks, Art |
||
CaptCBoard |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (08/31/06 16:20:42) |
Arthur-
The reference to 13 inches should actually be 13.5 inches and that refers to the diameter of the sphere the Pod is based on. It is also the height of the Pod. I based my Pod on the original blueprints from the film. The origin of most of the master for both the Underwriter's model and the 1:12 scale kit is the same-- a digital file that was done at 1:1 and rescaled for each purpose: Underwriter's Pod model, 1:12 scale Pod kit and the Pods for both the large and small Underwriter's Discovery models. If you have the 1:12 scale kit, just measure the parts and divide by the measurements by 4 to get 1:48. Scott |
||
arthur krull |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 19 (09/01/06 11:21:23) |
Thanks for the info Scott. I appreciate the time your taking. No, I don't have your Pod kit. That's why I'm interested in your master building photos. I believe the pod is (was?) 6.5' in diameter, right? That way I can heat form plastic sheet over a 1.5" hemisphere. Since that would make the model hollow I'm giving thought to adding an basic cockpit. I'll have to see how far my rather basic scratchbuiliding skills can take this.
Thanks Again, Art |
||
arthur krull |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 19 (09/06/06 05:03:39) |
Scott, et al,
The 2001 Spacesuit site made mention of blueprints of the 13.5" pod he was going to use to build his full sise pod. Scott, I think you mentioned them also. Are these available anywhere? Thanks, Art (always looking for more references) Krull |
||
Paulbo |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 211 (09/08/06 10:27:52) |
Arthur - don't forget to pick up Bizoni's "Filming the Future" that has great 3-view renderings of the Pod. If you have access to a photocopier or scanner you can blow them up to be exactly the size you need.
Cheers. |
||
CaptCBoard |
Re: The 13-Inch EVA Pod | ||
|
Posts: 1250 (09/08/06 16:25:13) |
I have found that, in general, the drawings Simon Atkinson did for the Bizoney book are at least as accurate, if not more accurate, than the blueprints done for the film. This is because of two things. First, the blueprints done for the film were not as complete as Simon's drawings and, second, quite often things change from the blueprint to what gets built. I have found that the blueprints are a great source for verifying certain things like dimensions and overall shape. Simon's drawings would be the best resource, period, if they included dimensions.
Frankly, I don't know why he doesn't publish his drawings as a measured set of what is in the book, as well as the drawings that were not in the book, would probably sell quite well. Scott |
||
lunadude |
True | ||
|
Posts: 141 (09/09/06 13:26:09) |
A portfolio of prints would be real nice.
I'd buy one (or two). |
||