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Unregistered(d)	AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 2)	#21	[-]
Posts: 0 (11/01/07 07:42:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, I've already so little to spare, so I'll rule out losing any more gray matter... ultimately, the best solution would be to sand down the nobs and either Scott to recast replacements or scratchbuild replacements myself. Although forgetting about the whole thing has it's appeal, too.
AModelMan	Re: AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 2)	#22	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/01/07 09:20:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd like to know why something so minor would have been changed. Who, along the apparently long line, saw those nobs and said, 'that sucks off-kilter like that, I'm gonna be the SOB to fix that!' Why bother? I guess it makes sense that they would be off-angle given that the entire ship angles down and inwards from the previous section in a big curl trending back on itself. But who bothered to change something so trivial??? I've had such a time with mine so far that I'm inclined to leave it as is. On the other hand I've had such a time with mine so far that I'm inclined to do this one last little mod... My plan is to get another around the summer. By then any further inaccuracies will hopefully have been ferreted out by other keen-eyed observers (to whom I now offer thanks and praise!)... -t
CaptCBoard	Re: AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 2)	#23	[-]
Posts: 1351 (11/01/07 10:02:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've been aware of this irregularity for some time. I don't know the way it came to be as this is the way the parts came to me. The Roddenberry model shows that detail to be off-angle and it appears this is also the way it was on the filming model. They are seen in this position in the photos of the model after it was repainted for Phase II, on the IDIC Page. But, that site also shows Greg Jein's model having those details in line with the nacelles. Not that I think it is correct, its just a stumper as to why Greg would do that and it makes me think that the model I got was molded from his parts. Fortunately, the fix is simple. I'm not going to change the masters I'm using, but I can generate separate parts easily. Anyone who'd like to get a set of these should email me. I'll have them ready next week. Then, all you have to do is sand off the old parts and stick on the new. Scott
Unregistered(d)	nobs	#24	[-]
Posts: 0 (11/01/07 10:58:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Scott, E-Mail sent... Thanks for your TOP quality customer service!!
scotthm	Re: AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 2)	#25	[-]
Posts: 44 (11/01/07 11:29:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Anyone who'd like to get a set of these should email me. You're a good man. You've stopped me just in the nick of time before I started cutting into my nacelles. E-mail has been sent. ---------------
AModelMan	Re: AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 3)	#26	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/03/07 16:05:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	To nail the coffin shut, I was digging thru the IDIC pages and found this page... Read the entry and note the engine nob angle in the first picture... http://members.aol.com/IDICPage2/TOSKlingon.html All it states is that the one pictured is not the Smithsonian's ship. But neither could it have been cast off of it because of that stupid little nob. This further suggests that Scott's was cast off the pretender and not either of the original two. And here you will find Jein's D-7. members.aol.com/WMccullars/JeinsKlingon.html It has the straight engine nobs -and the antenna in the boom. As Greg got the engine nobs wrong (deliverately or mistakenly), I don't know that he would have got the sensor antenna right either... Based on this, it looks like we've got molds of Greg's replica. But the fact of the matter is that we still have an excellent and impressive model in our collections. -t
scotthm	Re: AAAAAAAARRRGGHH (part 3)	#27	[-]
Posts: 44 (11/03/07 16:23:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Based on this, it looks like we've got molds of Greg's replica. Possible, but I think unlikely. It's probably more likely that the Jein model and the CC D-7 both had a common ancestor that was at least one generation removed from the actual filming model. Take a look at the differences between the two models in the photos below: ---------------
AModelMan	Re: Family Tree	#28	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/03/07 17:04:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hmmm, like tracing a family tree... Based yet again on your and Davehb's keen observations, I have to agree. You previously mentioned that there were several differences between the film and Gene's models (and now Greg's model too!). Presumably your rear-crown mod is one of them, what are the others? -t
scotthm	Re: Family Tree	#29	[-]
Posts: 44 (11/03/07 20:09:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* You previously mentioned that there were several differences between the film and Gene's models... I'm certainly no expert on the differences between the models, but I know there are some differences. The most obvious appears to be the rear detail on the nacelles. See the comparison below, with the filming model on top and the 'Roddenberry' model below it: Another thing that I believe is different is the area at the base of the neck. It appears to me (though I may be wrong) that the space between the top of the neck base and the top of the engineering hull is larger on the 'Roddenberry' model than on the filming model. It's difficult to be sure considering the relative lack of good photographs. I seem to recall reading a while back about there being other trivial differences, but I don't remember specifics. ---------------
CaptCBoard	Re: Family Tree	#30	[-]
Posts: 1351 (11/03/07 20:53:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	One thing to remember about the 'Jein' model is that he got his parts out of the molds that were made of the Smithsonian ship. We know that ship was taken apart for molding. I think Greg may have put the nacelle part on wrong because that's the way the AMT kit has it. Scott
AModelMan	Re: Family Tree	#31	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/03/07 23:34:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is turning into an intriguing genealogy. Tough to tell that detail up there... Also seen in the above grab at the bottom of the bulb is a little dark blob. While easily overlooked as dirt or a screen artifact, I first noticed it in this shot from E.I. the other day. Also to note is the squared shape of the bulb/boom area Lastly, I've been meaning to buy the TOS AMT kit for awhile now. I happened to glance at ebay a few mins ago and someone offered theirs. sans box, for $15 shipped. I should have it by the end of next week and will post pix ... somewhere... This should add a dash more confusion to the mix! -t
Davehb	Re: Family Tree	#32	[-]
Posts: 21 (11/04/07 21:43:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I wouldn't use the AMT model as a guide, it is based on the Roddenberry model and has even more differences which aren't on the Roddenberry or studio models. members.aol.com/IDICPage/AMTprototype.html
AModelMan	Re: Family Tree	#33	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/05/07 00:32:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At worst, the AMT kit is a bastardization of the screen ship. It is definitely not a guide. But at it's best, the kit is as equal to either of the other two for 'accuracy'. In some ways, as it was 'born last', it could be said to be the 'best'. The first (screen) was primarily created according to a studio deadline and budget and such similar functions. Whatever condition it was at whatever stage it was on whatever day it was that led to the day it was due in front of the cameras was 'it'. Final. No exceptions. Such is the film industry. The second (Gene's) was a protoype for the third. The third (Kit) was the one that had the most luxury of time available in its creation. Indeed, elements of the AMT kit are exact to MJ's drawings, a feat to which not even the filming model achieved. Though the kit was certainly born on a marketing clock, it had no pressing drop-dead deadlines as compared to the screen ship. Trial and error preceeded it with the other two versions, to hammer out the production and design details. Gene's was essentially a 'blank' to which detail was to be added later -Matt's original details. It would seem that the only 'real' D-7 that ever existed was perhaps the one envisioned in Matt Jefferies' head. All else was a simple abstract phantasm made concrete. All three have elements common to each other -and to Matt's vision as put forth on paper. But none 'are' his vision on paper, nor what he saw in his head. And none is the same as the other. Essentially, there were five originals -if such a thing can be said. Matt's vision, Matt's drawing, the Screen model, Gene's model and 'the kit'. And none of them can be said to be 'definitive' excepting definitive as unto itself. Even Matt's vision is what Plato would argue was a crude shadow of the true D-7 'form'. This ship was born of many minds and many more hands. And as such, comes in many shapes (now including Jein's ship of the 1990's). We chase a ghost. ... Unless someone happens to be at the Smithsonian and gets some definitive shots of the body in question. And with that, I apologize to Scotthm for digressing and return you to your regularly scheduled postings. -t
scotthm	Update	#34	[-]
Posts: 44 (11/12/07 18:14:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just a small update. I've mostly been priming, sanding, filling, sanding, priming, etc. The only new assembly I've done since my last update is the impulse deck to the engineering hull. I wasn't real satisfied with the fit originally (see photo below.) So I decided to slightly change the curvature of the impulse desk to more closely match the engineering hull. I set it in place on top, and marked out its location with masking tape on the engineering hull. Then I ground off the registration nubs from the underside. After this, I laid a sheet of 100 grit sandpaper face up on the engineering hull and slowly ground the bottom of the impulse deck to match the contour, checking it periodically. It didn't take long to get what I wanted. I used epoxy to glue it on, and then a little CA along the side seams. It still needs a little filler, but it's pretty close. Now it's back to sanding and filling and sanding until I get my new doohickeys for the bottom of the engine nacelles. ---------------
Unregistered(d)	Replacement thingys	#35	[-]
Posts: 0 (11/14/07 05:51:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey Guys, I just wanted to drop a quick note to say that I got my replacement nacelle thingys from Scott yesterday. Beautiful castings. I thank you again for going the extra mile, Scott. Now to steel my nerve to sand off the old ones... One last question before I do the deed...Is everybody SURE that they are the same jade color as the rest of the nacelle? never hurts to ask Lou
scotthm	Re: Replacement thingys	#36	[-]
Posts: 44 (11/14/07 07:54:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* I just wanted to drop a quick note to say that I got my replacement nacelle thingys from Scott yesterday. ...Now to steel my nerve to sand off the old ones... I got mine yesterday too, and couldn't wait to get one glued on. I covered one nacelle with masking tape, except for the part to be excised, and then began grinding and sanding away. After a while I had a smooth finish on the bottom of the nacelle, and after a little fit work was ready to glue on the new part. Here are the two nacelles together, one original and one modified. I placed the part so that the inside edge was just over the centerline of the nacelle, which is my best guess based on photos I've seen. ---------------
Unregistered(d)	thingys	#37	[-]
Posts: 0 (11/14/07 09:24:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ah, but your ship is still at the raw resin stage, I'm going to have to carefully mask off my finished paint and rebuild from the ground up. Still, I think you are dead on target with your placement. lining up the edge of the thingy (really guys, we need a better name for this bit) with the centerline of the nacelle seems to be just the ticket
JWLaRue	Re: thingys	#38	[-]
Posts: 48 (11/15/07 15:06:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Replacement parts....?!? Did you cast them yourself or is Scott sending them out to folks? -tnx, Jeff
AModelMan	Re: thingys	#39	[-]
Posts: 306 (11/15/07 15:11:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Send Scott an email and he will send you the new castings. It's mentioned somewhere around here... Can't find it now -t
JWLaRue	Re: thingys	#40	[-]
Posts: 48 (11/15/07 17:20:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahhh......will do! -tnx, Jeff

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