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robertfish |
2001 Details from Wonderfest 2008 |
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Posts: 128 (07/29/08 08:44:18) |
Does anyone have an update from Wonderfest 2008? Pics? :-) Anything interesting from 2001? Thanks, -Robert
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ERBrown |
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Posts: 5 (07/30/08 12:27:49) |
Alas, there was an enormous pile of never-before-released images from a presentation of some kind. The same fellow who has scanned all those neat BlueRay frame
grabs. But just yesterday (! -- the 29th) they were there, now today, gone.
Many images from the same box-load that appeared in the Agel "Making of 2001" book. Same sort of amazing. I recall a nice shot of the "outside" of the Orion space shuttle, a look up at the ceiling portion of the passenger deck of the Aries, someone holding up a "Starchild," shots of tired actors in space suits on moon dig set-- oh yeah, and a nice shot of the big antenna just standing up outside on the back lot, at a guess before its destruction. There were several shots of Kubrick looking intense on various sets. What might've gotten people up in arms were what I think were shots taken from that Tasche publishers book, some kind of elaborate and expensive Kubrick retrospective. Maybe they felt a copyright violation. And there was a nice set of shots of Dullea and Lockwood sitting and apparently giving a talk. But unless I am thoroughly confused, the link is gone. Yesterday it was on the same page as the "DVD" and "BluRay" (still there) collection, now no longer. But it's out there, durn it! Someone's still sitting on these things waiting for them to hatch. |
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Posts: 129 (07/31/08 08:01:00) |
Thanks very much, ER. I'm also interested in any pics of some of the more unusual spacecraft on display. At this point, with 2010 just around the corner,
perhaps we'll see a Leonov kit soon... :-) -Robert
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THX11138 |
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Posts: 5 (07/31/08 18:29:41) |
Greetings all,
I initially posted the photos from Wonderfest, including photo's I took from a PowerPoint presentation by Gene Kozicki, a film archivist who's working on preserving the 2001 legacy. I shot the photo's with a Canon SLR digital camera with an image stabilizer lens, without a flash, and they came out surprisingly well. Unfortunately, I contacted Gene by email seeking his permission to post the pictures, and he informed me that he got the pictures from Douglas Trumbull and David Larson (who's in the process of writing a book on the making of 2001) on the condition that they not be distributed further, so I had to honor his request and change the Flickr permissions to "private", at least until the book is published. Apparently these photo's will be included in Larson's book anyway. Incidentally, I was sitting next to Scott Alexander during the presentation, and Scott mentioned that he had seen all of the photo's before. Of course, Scott has had access to a lot of private archival material as part of his model making research, material that has never been released to the public before. Interestingly, Kubrick is in a number of images holding a 35mm camera. The explanation was that this was for lighting studies. Somewhere, there are thousands of slides shot from the director's vantage point. They're likely to be in the Kubrick estate, since Kubrick was a notorious packrat and his estate is filled with boxes, one room for each motion picture. Apparently, Larson was granted access to Kubrick's estate's 2001 archives... we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully, Larson found the 19 minutes of film Kubrick cut from the final release of 2001. He once mentioned that he had it in his garage. |
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Posts: 12 (08/01/08 00:03:08) |
The behind the scenes photos you are referring to and that Scott mentioned seeing are most likely the ones that were shown during the Academy of Motion Picture
Arts and Sciences program hosted by Tom Hanks and Douglas Trumball a couple months back. A lot of really great photos that had never been seen before. Trumball
even commented that some of the shots had just been found that day of the program or just before. It was an amazing evening all around. I was able to be there
and show off Scott's 5.5-ft Discovery prototype, and many others had some great displays. Always wonderful to see Scott, too.
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Posts: 254 (08/01/08 09:12:04) |
Except for the one about the antenna module in a parking lot, all the rest sound like what we saw at the Trumbull presentation. Mostly overlap, e probly saw
some you didn't and you saw some we didn't.
Can't wait for Larson's book! He was at Trumbull night. I got to talk w/ him (and Doug) for a while afterwards. I am really excited about the possibility of a restoration and made clear my desire and skills to help if I can. They were following up a rumor that the missing 19 mins exists but without sound or post processing/color correction done to it. Doug and Dave both said the footage was bland, you'd never miss it from the film and that w/o it, the whole thing is tighter and better. But unseen footage is magical. Ideally, it would be included as a blu ray extra someday. Also they were hunting down rumors that the 70mm negatives still exist somewhere. The negatives exist as yellow, cyan and Magenta (YCM -as opposed to RGB or CMYK) strips and cleaning each and recombining them will produce 'perfect' 70mm print again. Something which has not existed in 30+ years. If you see a '70mm showing', watch carefully and you will see many sequences that are 35mm blown up. It took me a while, but now I can spot them. It's all in the film grain. x15gal -I am glad that you got to do the presentation at Trumbull night. The ship looked great! You must have pulled some good strings! There was such a crowd, I was lucky to spot Scott, Doug and Larson as I did. Saw Buzz Aldrin as well, but he was making a bee line to the door so i didn't interrupt him.
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Posts: 4 (08/02/08 00:53:25) |
Btw - if anyone is interested. There was a documentary on TV here in the UK about Kubrick's Boxes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5739282975440441779&q=stanley+kubrick+boxes&ei=LSCUSKmWKpH-jQKO8ayRBQ very interesting to understand the amount of research that he put into his films. Not too much 2001 stuff shown, but well worth watching. |
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Posts: 21 (08/02/08 07:56:11) |
Thank you for posting the link. Yes, a very interesting documentary. Around 41:30 there is a quick montage of 2001 photos, including an early mock-up of the
Discovery with the radiator "wings" that were not used in the final model. There is also a shot of the Starchild. Neat stuff!
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Posts: 7 (08/02/08 14:03:48) |
Thanks for posting the link. A fine testament to Kubrick's genius. The ending quote says it all, and explains a lot about his personality and films.
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Posts: 5 (08/02/08 14:23:56) |
I wonder how easy it is to get access to the archive. what sorts of crudentials do you need to go through it? would you need to be an official
"Researcher" or something? I wonder if there's anything useful for modeling. :-)
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2001 Details from Wonderfest 2008 | ||
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Posts: 25 (08/03/08 05:57:27) |
I was looking up Wonderfest 2008 and ran across this nice group of images and videos. Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood are seen signing I believe Mike Scott's
2001 space helmet and chest pack.
http://pantherfanz.smugmug.com/gallery/5464126_67kvf#P-10-12 And thanks for info Zyote on the Kubrick Boxes video. I sure there must have been an old saying like; "Don't light any matches when visting Stanley's house!"
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Posts: 6 (08/03/08 06:40:30) |
awesome photos! - Thought, i'd be a bit hesitant letting anyone write on my space odyssey helmet if i had one. Even them!
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Posts: 6 (08/03/08 11:22:42) |
Well! Thank you, t-- Your efforts and ultimate need for discretion are not unappreciated. Let's see now... that Larson fellow has talked about a book on
the subject in various posts for over three years that I've been paying attention.
Ah well, we've all waited 40 years-- what's another decade between friends? My overall point is my barely concealed rage about the fact that the Agel book shows that there are thousands of set stills out there. Never mind a few secretive glimpses here and there. Why's Trumbull, MGM, Turner and the Kubrick Estate sitting on them for so long? And now the good Mr. Larson-- waiting for that fine wine to age a little bit more. Well, I've got two copies of the Bizony book (one to make photostatic copies with, the other to read) and I'm waiting for the Tasche book to come down a bit-- but I would not wait if the Larson book makes it to print. I'm 53, my dad passed from a heart attack at 63-- I'll be patient for a few more years... Ahem-- as for the "35 mm" camera-- well, that's no way to perform lighting checks. Kubrick and Alcot used a Polaroid Land Camera to do that-- there's 3-ring binders full of them in the Kubrick Archives. Some of those Polaroids were seen in the travelling exhibit and on that website (that Alexander prepared a Discovery for-- I think). You have to develop the film overnight-- or at best, have a spirited darkroom tech who will work on color stuff. No easy thing to do in the 60s. I don't think the daily lab would have the same chemistry, either; and besides it's overnight-- who cares about the next day. Some camera pros-- and Kubrick was one-- would mate a Polaroid back to a sacrificed 35mm body, but I'm not sure how far back that sort of thing was done. Not sure it was done back in 1964--67. But I couldn't see the back too well; the few "pro-backs" I've seen had a huge back-end of an old Polaroid camera stuck to the back of a fairly small 35mm body. Remember that a Polaroid film area is more than double the size of a 35mm frame, so you have to squint... According to the Tasche-published book, Kubrick used a Widelux super-wide scanning lens camera. It kind'a looks like a large 35mm camera. I saw that image of Kubrick holding a camera and the front screw-thread of the lens looked odd to my memory. Well now I just don't know, I'll have to wait for Larson's book to come out, won't I? |
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T Hardy |
Wonderfest 2001 Helmet | ||
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Posts: 7 (08/12/08 11:54:45) |
For clarification, the red Discovery space helmet and the chest & backpacks on display at Wonderfest were created by Mike Scott (not Smith). They are
replicas, not screen used originals. The helmet was created from a new pattern that was created by having an original helmet casting on hand for reference. Why
create a new helmet pattern? Well, the reference casting had some slight flaws or alterations from 2010, so Mike thought it was best to create a new helmet
pattern from scratch that corrected those flaws. Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood were both pretty blown away by Mike's work, which was a good morale boost
for Mike.
Next up is the soft suit, followed by the TMA-1 Moonsuit packs. Hopefully, we'll have a complete replica suit within the next 12 months. |
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timeslipcreations |
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Posts: 35 (08/13/08 20:29:41) |
And one more correction, the 5 foot Discovery is NOT Scott's. It is mine, George T. from Timeslip Creations.
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treddie |
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Posts: 1 (09/08/08 11:23:28) |
Howdie.
If I understand correctly, THX11138 posted the frame grabs. I have a question for you or anyone else that might have an answer. What software did you use to capture the FULL RES frames? I use AnyDVD to get to the frames off of the blu-ray, and then I USED to use VLC player to do the capture but VLC presently can't handle the m2ts format. So I tried WinDVD, but it will not allow frame grabbing or screen captures. Then I tried FLVplayer which allows screen caps but not full res frame grabs. So the best I can grab is 1600x1200 (limits of my video card), which is significantly lower than than the 1920x1080 data, AND is "dirtied" by having to go through the video card to get to the screen. The saga continues... |
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Posts: 8 (09/11/08 16:01:09) |
Treddie,
I also used AnyDVD to transfer the stream files from Blu-Ray to the hard drive. Then I used the HD version of the Nero suite (you buy a second unlock code that allows you to access the HD content). My vid card can handle WUXGA 1920 x 1200, so I'm not sure if using lower resolution card imposes a resolution limit on the ripped files. I know that some video software offloads the processing to the video card from the CPU for speed... if that's the case, then your video card may be the culprit. BTW, I feel your pain re: WinDVD. It came bundled with my Blu-Ray drive. I tried everything to get it to work, wasting most of a day in the process. Finally called tech support. Was informed that there was no tech support for bundled software, and that I would have to pay for tech support. I agreed, and my credit card was charged $15. I was then informed that my video cards, two 768 MB nVidia 8800 GTX's in SLI mode, were not supported. In fact, the software supported only one nVidia card! Grabbing frames with Nero is relatively simple; there are keys for frame advance and frame grabs. Keep in the habit of writing down the time display... every so often, after you grab a frame, the time gets screwed up and you jump to another point in the film. If this happens, enter the time manually to get to where you were. Another tip: the frame grabs are 8 MB BMP files. I used Photoshop to convert to PNG, which drops the size down to about 1.3 MB. Since this gets old really fast, you can have Photoshop memorize a conversion and create a script. You just have to tweak the script to locate the "source" and "destination" directories. When you watch 2001 frame by frame, prepare to be amazed. Kubrick had his set designers put detail well below the limit of resolution. There's LetraSet stick-on type everywhere. I've read that Blu-Ray resolution is similar to 35mm film. I'm able to read many of the panel buttons in the EVA Pod on the Blu-Ray grabs, but not all (I have an interest in doing a full-scale Pod interior). I've emailed Dennis Gilliam, who started a similar project. He mentioned that he purchased an entire 2001 film in 35mm and has viewed several 70mm frames. He identified the text on all of the 500+ buttons in the Pod interior after years of effort (I tried to get copies... no luck). If that's accurate, then there will be many more revelations if and when the next format (UV-Ray?) comes out. |
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Posts: 2 (09/12/08 01:29:35) |
Thanks for the reply THX.
Yah, I wasted a good couple of days tinkering with WinDVD and PowerDVD, too. My vidcard will not support PowerDVD, so PowerDVD went bye-bye. I just found another approach too, that can capture the full frames irrespective of the video card. Basically, it's AnyDVD to get access, Matroska Splitter to DirectShow decode, and the JakeLudington Mod of VirtualDubMod to grab the frame at 1920x1080. VirtualDubMod is nice, too, since you can fwd/rev frame advance which so many others fail to include in their software for some bizarre reason. You can also tell it to frame grab from a given start frame and end on a stop frame. I haven't tried working directly from the blu-ray disk, though with a script you can. So I used Super Player & Converter to break the .m2ts file into smaller m2ts chunks and transferred them to my HD. Unfortunately, it drops out significant chunks wherever it decides to split the original file. Not sure yet why this is happening. So your suggestion to use Nero HD might be a good alternate to the convoluted approach I read about, if it is NOT video card limited for resolution. Changing the topic (which I suppose should go in a different forum), I found that even at the full frame res, that the pushbutton text was JUUUSSST beyond the readability threshold. I'm somewhat skeptical of all the pod pushbuttons being readable in the pod without having access to production closeup shots not readily available to the majority of us or having (like Dennis Gilliam) access to 70mm frames and even those would be difficult with digital enhancement. For instance, I had access to a 70mm frame at one point of the recharge instructions on the space suit chest pack. The body text is still way too small to be readable, AND it's lit from a good angle. That text is greater in size in proportion to the frame as all of the pushbutton text in the pod in those frames and not choked off by light inside a pushbutton bending around the text. I have tried using RegiStax4 to stack multiple blu-ray frames to sharpen things up, but there is too much camera blur to overcome and the fact that we're essentially viewing DIGITIZED 35mm quality, even as sharp as the frames are. The only text I was able to garner from the pushbuttons was one that possibly reads as "Remote Connect Computer", and I only realized that one when it appeared to be identical to the same smaller profile button in a similar placement on the mockup panel in the "Making of" docu. THAT panel in the docu is the same panel in the Discovery observation room and appears to contain text which relates to computer programming, which seems a bit out of place down there in the observation room. I think they pulled a lot of technical looking stuff without always having regard for the application it is supposed to represent in the film, which I can understand from a production standpoint. That having been said, I get the impression that although the labels that indicate GROUPS of buttons probably were meant to say something real (because everytime I can actually read one of those labels they DO mean something real), the pushbutton text is possibly what just came on the zillion pushbuttons they got from Honeywell, and a good sum of Honeywells's work related to computer programming so I am not surprised that a lot of those pushbuttons would contain programming references. But there are also a lot of video references; there appear to be video left/right, up/down navigation arrow pushbuttons below the four side displays in the pod, and zoom controls in the Orion below those displays, yet they are randomly lit or not lit without seeming to have any correlation to the character of the displays which just act as repeaters for general computer info for the most part. But if it is a close-up shot where they WANT you to read something (like the comm toggle switches in the pod, that's a different story). Incidentally, some people have wondered what the toggles are doing in there anyway when virtually everything else is pushbutton. I believe the answer can be gleaned by the "flip bar" below the switches, which is a standard aerospace trick to actuate a bunch of toggles all at once. So when you jump in the pod and start things up, you just flip the bar rather than flipping all 8 switches individually. To shut them off, you have to do them individually. In like fashion, I believe that the exposive bolt arming trio of buttons is covered by that elaborate cover because the cover is in-fact a plunger that when you hit it, it actuates all three switches underneath in an emergency and fires the explosive bolts immediately without hesitation. You can see the three "cylinders" in the plunger that go over each button, and I'll bet those plungers are spring loaded. At any rate, I really hope that now, since the Kuricks have donated Stanley's archive to a university, and with Larson's book out there on the horizon, that much more information will become available at an accelerated pace. One can only hope. |
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Posts: 73 (09/12/08 11:11:20) |
Hi Treddie,
You make some great points in your post. Regarding the explosive bolts 3-part switch, I think your observations are interesting, but let me tell you my take on that. I, like Dennis Gilliam, have wondered where the surplus part came from for that mechanism. Dennis managed to figure out where it came from but is tight-lipped about that. I think I know where I've seen these before. If I'm not mistaken, it is an actuator switch for the door of a cargo plane. Having no access to such things currently I can't verify this but I'm pretty sure I saw one many moons ago. The silver cover is a guard to prevent the buttons from being pressed accidentally by personnel or cargo shifting about. On the bottom of the 3 buttons is a plug for connecting a wired remote, so the operator does not have to stand on the side of the cargo door but can move about. Anyway, that's my take on it. I am going to look more carefully at the movie tonight to see if the cover could be, as you say, an emergency "push-all-three-at-once" kind of thing. --Jim |
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Posts: 3 (09/12/08 18:34:20) |
SAL9000.
Thanks for the reply. I like your idea. I have been trying to figure out where it came from too, and now we all have the potential to invetigate this. I would love to get my hands on one of these. I know some aerospace engineers who might have a clue as well. If the plunger idea still holds water, it may contain stiff springs so that simply bumping into it would not set it off. On the other hand, it seems like a rather complicated cover if in fact it serves no other purpose. But you know, I HAVE seen images of air force crewmen holding some sort of remote attached by cable to the wall, although I never bothered to take a look at just what it was attached to, if one could make it out. That would definitely explain the connector. It appears to have six pins so that seems like plenty to handle any cargo door activity. |
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Posts: 74 (09/13/08 05:10:13) |
I read over Dennis' site on this again and he writes that he is intending to machine additional pieces for the cover plate. So I take that to mean the
cover plate is likely something simple and maybe flat and that Kubrick's people added some things to "tech" it up (as they so often did). Maybe
I'll look out for some Air Force recruitment posters of smiling cargo door operators.
It seems that the green part is likely the original cover and maybe the black and silver parts were added?
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