With bright LED's, this would make the world's absolute coolest ceiling light. OK, a bit geeky I admit. Especially if you detailed the rest of the
ceiling like the moon base.
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Posts: 25 (03/06/09 14:59:20) |
With bright LED's, this would make the world's absolute coolest ceiling light. OK, a bit geeky I admit. Especially if you detailed the rest of the
ceiling like the moon base.
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Posts: 283 (03/06/09 16:33:54) |
Based on RF's observation, I looked at all three pix.
As she lands square to the pad, chances are SK offest the Aries for the red shot to suggest the fetus-embraced-by-technology-look more clearly. But while red is offset, it is still symmetrical to the landing pad dimensions. I sourced the far rt side width of pad-edge to aries-foot as the base measurement. The pad itself appears to be a dash less than 5 widths across, with the Aries being about 2.66 widths across. The 4 slats on the cardinal points would seem to lock into Aries' cloven feet! That's a bit of interesting insight! I tried to square the pad to the red shot. but as you can see, there is still some distortion I couldn't account for. Given all this, I think it's darn close. The landing shot also shows my guess to be wrong on the landing pad shapes. Clearly, the Aries fits within the pad's octagon. The LPad shot also shows the position of the camera relative to the distant pad shot. It could also be on the other side of where I drew it of course. But the pad grates show it must be one of those sides. Also, the backrow of lights in the big shot counts to 36 inc. the corners for 140 lights total. Novel display options. I like the living room/basement hoist idea! You could set up massive chains and winches like an old Frankenstein movie too! The ceiling display is really where it's at though! 140 20,000mcd leds will light up the room quite nicely! LOL!.
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Posts: 3 (03/06/09 20:14:21) |
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Posts: 284 (03/07/09 03:19:58) |
chariot65 wrote:I don't want to diverge from the topic too far, and whereas it is all up to the interpreter, and whereas SK was always stuffing nuance into every shot, but consider the landing bay as womb, the Aries as fetus/baby of technoligical humanity, the landing struts as arms embracing the child and lowering into safe harbor from the alien environment of space. It's also an analagous version of the starchild shots. Moonwatcher (or his wife?) cradles the first generation of humanity about to evolve due to the monotlith, the hangar bay cradles the first generation of technological humanity, the EVAPod cradles dead Poole in it's arms (ala' The Pieta) signaling the death of technological humanity before it evolves into starchild humanity. Starchild is the organic evolution of technological humanity which is the evolution from 'apes'. Full circle. The symbolism is staggering in this film. There is a reason why this is one of the greatest films ever. Like many here, I have likely seen this film 100+ times now and have never not picked up on another new insight with every viewing. Working out the landing pad comparison showed me the potentially interlocking foot slats I mentioned previously. While that's not a philosophical insight, it is yet one more subtle bit of nuance gained into the interconnectedness and forethought put into this film. And again, it's all up to personal interpretation. In this shot I see the symbol of infant-humanity cradled in a technological womb. Perhaps it's just a spaceship in a docking port.
PS. Another thought I just had was that as the hull of Aries is a face with two eyes and a nose on each of four sides... Who was the god like that? The Babalonian Marduk, creator of humanity? There's a celtic underworld god named Arawan with four faces that can turn skin into metal, stone, diamond etc... And there are a few four-faced gods in Buddhist and Hindu traditions as well. Yet another symbol I had not considered before...The more you dig the deeper you get.
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Posts: 26 (03/07/09 09:07:47) |
Interesting insights into the machine life cycle as a parallel of humanity. Several spaceship designs have been compared to biological "structures".
Here's my synopsis:
Orion (penis) and landing bay of SS5 (vagina)... sex act, set to the Blue Danube (as if the obvious symbolism needed reinforcement with the courtship waltz). Aries (egg) travels through fallopian tube (space) to reach the uterus (moon base). Discovery (sperm) arrives. EVA Pod containing astronaut (fertilized egg) implants into the uterus (stargate sequence) and gestates in the alien apartment. Star Child is born. |
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Posts: 8 (03/07/09 14:55:05) |
THX11138 wrote: Not, to get off topic on the original thread, but while we are at it, what role would you suggest the MoonBus plays in all of this? |
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Posts: 285 (03/07/09 22:27:58) |
Hadn't thought about the moonbus in particular before, but I would guess it's a moonbus.
Actually, a simple chariot carrying the hero to the agent of change would be the straight forward notion. Perhaps the moonbus as Bifrost, the bridge between earth and heaven that the fallen warrior crosses... No. Discovery could be Bifrost in that regard. I hadn't thought about all the concrete stuff (as opposed to ephemeral) before as THX points out, but that also flies. There's tons of levels to watch the film on. It's too bad Joseph Campbell spent his time on Star Wars as ASO deserves an equally proper and most scholarly look in this regard. I didn't know the blue danube was also the 'courtship waltz'. An act unconsummated (on screen at least). That put s different spin on it. (RDRR) The stargate hotel room as cocoon where chrysalis occurs, transforming Boman into starchild. The Cyclopian EVAPod plays myriad roles throughout, from puppet-on-Hal's string to Mary holding the body of dead Christ to fertilized egg and more. But in the hotel itself, I would suggest the Pod is the larval shell from which the pupae Bowman frees himself, gestating then into butterfly. The symbolism in the film deserves its own thread that could go on for hundreds of pages. Certainly every shot and sequence from the satellites on, perhaps less so in pre-dawn man as that is also pre-consciousness man. Apart from the garden of eden side of it (in so far as man and animals lived in relative harmony. The Monolith as snake tree and apple of wisdom). But there, a bone really is just a bone. Until it is picked up as weapon. That is likeythe first symbol, the point at which the story genuinely begins -as consciousness has genuinely arrived. Before that, things are much more factual. The sun rose, the sun set. Stuff happened in between. But I bet there's some shots in there as well.
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Posts: 28 (03/08/09 07:54:12) |
Hadn't thought about the moonbus in particular before, but I would guess it's a moonbus.To paraphrase Freud, "sometimes a moonbus is just a moonbus". |
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Posts: 9 (03/08/09 12:28:54) |
Yeah, I don't even want to get into the philosophical aspects of this film which are many!! Funny that all the craft are symbolic in nature, and the MoonBus is just a Bus |
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